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mortimer Premium account Joined: Jun 04 Points: 15075 Posts: 528 Posted: 2006-04-25 10:43:00    Clive thank you for joining in the discussion. you gave it a lot of thought and offered your well reasoned opinion. the fact to link it with morc66's suggestion is a good idea. we disagree however about if members whish moderators. marianne was doing the math and came up with the following results: MODERATORS TO THE PHOTO GALLERY 13 members: yes 4 members: no answer EMBEDDED RATING GUIDELINES 5 members: yes 1 member: perhaps 11 members: no answer TAG BOX whether the photographer wants a comment to his/her picture 6 members: yes 1 member: no 10 members: no answer GUIDELINES to what type of photos to upload 3 members: yes 1 member: no 13 members: no answer either you or marianne missinterpreted the given statements ;-) most of us thought that moderators would be a good thing. Here's the follow up thread of this discussion: http://www.globosapiens.net/topic-draft-photo-guidelines_47_2355_0000.html Have a great day martin --- Today is the first day of the rest of your life, enjoy it! Reply    Reply with quote    Contact mortimer   st.vincent Joined: Mar 06 Points: 2322 Posts: 23 Posted: 2006-04-25 21:54:00    I’ve had another look through the thread Martin and am happy to accept Marianne’s maths. It does seem though that some people have reservations by adding “but…..” or “however.…” after stating that they would agree to moderators. Perhaps because I entered the thread late I saw things in a different way. It seems that the question everyone is concentrating on is “Do we want moderators for the photo gallery?”. But the real question is “How can we improve the quality of photos in the gallery?” That’s what everyone wants. One answer to this question of course is to have moderators, but we must not think that this is the only answer. I think if a solution could be found that did not involve moderators it might receive the support of some of those 13 members. The excellent guidelines that have been written will certainly help. Personally I wouldn’t mind my photos being moderated, I’m just not sure that it is in the spirit of the site. Having said all of this I fully accept that I am new to the site and haven’t seen the changes it has gone through over the past few years as some other members have. Best Wishes Clive Reply    Reply with quote    Contact st.vincent   ehs1193 Joined: Jan 06 Points: 1261 Posts: 29 Posted: 2006-04-26 00:38:00    Sorry for butting in like this but some people aren't even moderating the forum. Inzaghi hasn't been here in the past month. I don't know if some people are willing to be moderators. Some people haven't been to this site for years. Other websites that have members usually get rid of some members that aren't doing anything. They send an e-mail or something and say like "Where have you been? It's been a while. Click this link below if you wish to stay a member. If you do not want to be a member anymore, don't do anything. After 5 days you membership will be deactivated." If we have guidelines at the page where you upload the pictures and some good people that will stay here for a long time and remind people the rules, then we might not need moderators. Some people aren't up for the job. If some people want or don't want their photos rated is up to them. Comments can either encouraging and helpful, or they can be insulting. I'd like to get feedback on pictures and reports because the tips in there can help my future reports and pictures. With the guidelines, I think that new members don't really know what "travel-related" means. Here is what I came up with. Guidelines: 1. Each picture must be related to travel meaning that it has to encompass the essence of the country or region visited. If you are at a place where it doesn't really show the actual area e.g. zoos, museums not related to the area, etc., then state it in the title or something. 2. No family or personal pictures. Pictures of yourself should either be in slideshows or be your member picture. We will inform you when it is too personal. 3. Have at least good quality in the picture. If you can't see the main focus, then other people can't. If you think it's to blurry or anything else that's wrong with it, then don't post it at all. It's a waste of your time and other peoples' time. If that doesn't cover it, add some more. Hope my opinion helps! [ This Message was edited by: ehs1193 on 2006-04-26 00:59 ] --- Wunderkind Reply    Reply with quote    Contact ehs1193   marianne Premium account Joined: Sep 03 Points: 20248 Posts: 349 Posted: 2006-04-26 10:45:00    Morc, Clive and Wunderkind Thanks for your input. I will incorporate your suggestion in the final advice / suggestions for Andy. At the moment I cannot access my files as I had a computer crash, but as soon as I can I will add your suggestion. Before sending them to Andy, they will be posted in this forum. Marianne --- “I travel not to go anywhere, but to go. I travel for travel’s sake. The great affair is to move.” Robert Louis Stevenson Reply    Reply with quote    Contact marianne   rangutan Premium account Joined: Aug 04 Points: 34752 Posts: 1044 Posted: 2006-04-26 13:00:00    Ethan, just when I was about to give up reminding members of "basic" quality you have formulated your comment above so well. I hope staff notes every word (exept "slide-show" must read "travel log"). RR --- Rudolf "Rangutan" Graspointner Reply    Reply with quote    Contact rangutan   horourke Premium account Joined: Sep 04 Points: 11274 Posts: 142 Posted: 2006-09-24 12:29:00    I have just read David's post as if for the first time although i know i have scanned this forum previously. What a perfect succinct statement this is "I think it's great to offer advice about what makes a travel photo interesting to others, but in the end what really matters is offering a space where we can freely share our unique and personal vision of our world." --- Hugh Reply    Reply with quote    Contact horourke   rangutan Premium account Joined: Aug 04 Points: 34752 Posts: 1044 Posted: 2006-10-13 11:09:00    Hi members and staff, I noticed at least two members rate every picture and report ***** the recent week. I don't like compensating by adjust my real rating down because I think the current average rating is way too high. Marianne noticed this too and initiated a brilliant solution that could be used for both reports and pictures. It would be automated so we don't need any policing, neither the current "fraud detector" and much less moderating: Ratings ** *** **** can be made anonymously and comments are voluntary. For ratings * and ***** the voters name is shown and a comment should be left, even if it is just a smiley or a word like "excellent" or "brilliant", preferably a few words to why that rating was chosen, but even if blank then "[no comment]" appears. Further, this solves the problem everyone has had using a wheel mouse - a slip of the finger (click on the wheel) may suddenly cause an unwanted * or ***** when the intention was just to scroll up or down! Seeing the clicked rating one then has the chance still to press the "back" button before entering a comment and "enter". A third advantage is that members will rate more. Very few members rate at all! I would tolerate silly and shallow comments much more if we could just get the rating thing right. A general rule too is to try rate diversely. The idea is that the really best "travel" items become more notable being on the top of lists and poor or unsuitable stuff sinks to the end of lists. There is no quota for how many * or ***** uses one may make but rating everything THE BEST is pretty stupid! Here is an indication as to the approximate weighting I try to achieve: ***** 5% **** 30% *** 50% ** 10% * 5% RR [ This Message was edited by: rangutan on 2006-10-13 11:16 ] --- Rudolf "Rangutan" Graspointner Reply    Reply with quote    Contact rangutan   davidx Premium account Joined: Dec 04 Points: 34719 Posts: 440 Posted: 2006-10-13 12:09:00    Rudi says 'The idea is that the really best "travel" items become more notable being on the top of lists and poor or unsuitable stuff sinks to the end of lists.' I agree entirely but surely that's what happens now, if you click on pictures? I think the real problem is something else he highlights, that not enough people rate pictures. David --- Grieve not for that which you cannot do but rejoice in that which you can. Reply    Reply with quote    Contact davidx   eirekay Premium account Joined: Aug 03 Points: 19539 Posts: 214 Posted: 2006-10-13 14:52:00    I agree with Rudi - the ratings on the Bombay report as an example - it is an advertisement. It mentions the web address 3 times and refers to AMS another three times. It talks about the medical services in the heading and body several times. The whole thing is a sales pitch with a gloss over travel piece that has very little actual information. The lead photo isn't even Bombay - it's the Taj in Agra which would require a flight and a train to get to - probably something a person who had just had surgery couldn't tolerate. The catagories have brief descriptions, but the report is rated 4****. To offset my rating and Marianne's at least two people have given it 5****, because its current rating is 4****. Eire --- Life is not measured by the breaths you take but by the moments that take your breath away. Profile Pic: Tikal, Guatemala Reply    Reply with quote    Contact eirekay   rangutan Premium account Joined: Aug 04 Points: 34752 Posts: 1044 Posted: 2006-10-13 17:49:00    David is quite right. If more members rated an item then the dishonest and skew ratings wouldn't count very much in the average and we would not have a problem at all! :-) RR --- Rudolf "Rangutan" Graspointner Reply    Reply with quote    Contact rangutan   Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7