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andreas Joined: May 02 Points: 8309 Posts: 808 Posted: 2006-01-03 12:46:00    Hi everybody, it came to my attention that some members are disatisfied with the ratings they recieve by other members. I have been asked to keep an open eye on ratings, which is what I have done. There are certain tools which I do have access to: 1) Display ratings (since beginning of GLOBO) from all content, associated with rating member, owner of the picture, average rating and other details 2) Sorting this ratings after rater, or rated pictures or belonging person. 3) Isolating certain pictures, or all pictures from one member with the associated ratings 4) Comparison tools which work with average rating and given rating 5) Tools that allow to match any account to another, which does work if a person opens a new account just for ratings. 6) Other tools which I will not list here Those tools give me the ability to exactly track down ratings and identify ratings which are not in range of the quality of the content. You do not have to rate pictures, but if choose to do so, please give a fair rating regardless of the owner of the picture. Downrading of pictures or reports is pretty poor acting. It does not do any good for anybody. Downgrading by purpose does place a real bad taste on your own profile and personality, disqualifies you for future contests and might even lead to a termination of your account regardless of how many content you do have online. I am sorry to have to write this, but I thought you should know how easy it is to reveale members who downgrade. Best regards, Andy Reply    Reply with quote    Contact andreas   rangutan Premium account Joined: Aug 04 Points: 34752 Posts: 1044 Posted: 2006-01-03 14:02:00    Thank you Andy. Knowing that makes us more comfortable. We can now trust that rating is reasonable. I'm sure there will always be occasional controvertial pictures and reports but it is good that massive missuse of the rating system is not possible. This applies also to OVER rating I hope. Thanks Staff Rudi --- Rudolf "Rangutan" Graspointner Reply    Reply with quote    Contact rangutan   bear495 Joined: May 03 Points: 8634 Posts: 177 Posted: 2006-01-03 22:19:00    I agree with Rudi. We want to thank you for looking in to the situation that was mentioned. It is one thing to make an error while choosing a button. It is different when one intentionally chooses to downgrade another's submissions. Then, we have the case during the last two weeks in which a member admitted giving lower ratings as penalties for a disagreement in discussion fora. That is the worst case. Russ --- "Own only what you can carry with you; know language, know countries, know people. Let your memory be your travel bag." Alexander Solzhenitsyn Reply    Reply with quote    Contact bear495   andreas Joined: May 02 Points: 8309 Posts: 808 Posted: 2006-01-04 09:03:00    Hi, I agree with both of you. It especially makes me worry about human nature once I read excuses like "he was downgrading my pictures, too!". Well based on asumption, or even knowing this would a bad excuse for doing harm to somebody. Sounds to me like: "He was stealing from my toys, I "know" it! So I was taking more toys from him! It is not my fault!" and so on. I hope that such behavior will not be of any substance at GLOBO and those members evolve or do leave. Best regards, Andy Reply    Reply with quote    Contact andreas   mortimer Premium account Joined: Jun 04 Points: 15075 Posts: 528 Posted: 2006-01-04 09:10:00    Hi There If a downgrading happens because of the participation of a member in discussions in the chat or statements in the fora or comments in the guestbook then downgrading as punishment is very infantile. As far as I understood the discussion you mentioned, russ the grade was given before the discussion started and only because of the text connected with the picture. But for this discussion go to this thread here: http://www.globosapiens.net/topic-how-to-rate-pictures_34_1282_0010.html I really have to agree with Rudi, as so often, that quite a few pics are overrated, how this happens is a miracle to me. It could be either friendship bonus stars, ghost accounts, too small pictures to vote on,... you might find more reasons. Yesterday I just encountered this pic here and some more of jorge from yakutsk. Just to be clear here, I really appreciate jorges contributions to our community and I really think he did post some terriffic content. What I don't understand Is why those yakutsk pics get such high ratings. http://www.globosapiens.net/jorgesanchez/picture-horrible-cold-in-yakutia-few-people-in-the-street-29079.html If we are just looking at the pics forgetting who did post them and where they are from, what have we got? a blur street scene with an unreadable advertising panel two black figures walking on the sidewalk a car standing there parked and a faint building in the back ground. Everything is blur. It probably is the best possible picture giving the circumstances but is it truly worth 4 or 5 stars. If you follow the link to the how to rate pictures fora entry you see the agreed standard rates and when I check the description for 5 stars it says (***** excellent (amongst the best, amazing, I could stare at this all day) could you really stare at this picture all day? Sorry folks I couldn't I would possibly look at it in an album and think well it's pretty cold but thats it. Just my 2 cents Have a great day Martin [ This Message was edited by: mortimer on 2006-01-04 09:17 ] --- Today is the first day of the rest of your life, enjoy it! Reply    Reply with quote    Contact mortimer   andreas Joined: May 02 Points: 8309 Posts: 808 Posted: 2006-01-04 15:43:00    Hello mortimer and all the others, I agree with the upgrading issue. Although sometimes it apears different then it really is. Some people might have just an other understanding of the composition of a picture or have other things they value inside a picture. In order to keep down- or upgrading within limits there is a new fraud protection system available on GLOBO. Please see this topic: http://www.globosapiens.net/topic-new-protection-agains-rating-fraud_29_2113_0000.html Best regards, Andy Reply    Reply with quote    Contact andreas   rangutan Premium account Joined: Aug 04 Points: 34752 Posts: 1044 Posted: 2006-01-05 00:59:00    Mortimer, that [above] is a sad comment coming from a moderator of photography at GLOBO, please more respect for the challenging aspects of extreme photography or atleast artistic value! There are some photos one cannot rate the same as the normal tourist shots. Every picture, condition and destination must be considered individually. I rated this picture **** only seconds of looking at it. I love it even more now and the other pictures in the series too. Even though they are dark, misty and colourless, they are a PERFECTLY presented and a good description of THAT HORRIBLE place in winter = 100x more interesting that another summer pic of the Matterhorn or Eiffel Tower or a common garden flower! My detailed rating now for it (based similar to how I rate reports): travel relation: ***** focus: *** fuzzy because from shakes and slower shutter speed light/colour & contrast: **** shows true colours and light, the picture is NOT dark, the environment is dark! composition: ***** perfectly balanced texture/depth/subject: **** mom with kid walk, store-manager has car! theme/originality: ***** original and special correct destination/title: *** title too long description: **** important and well described format: ***** correct extras: **** this pic within a series complimenting each other --------------------------------------------- Totals 42 and makes my RATING = 4.2 say **** ---------------------------------------------www.globosapiens.net/jorgesanchez/picture-yakutsk-in-winter-looks-like-a-ghost-town-29073.html ...I rate similarly perhaps higher, a very LONELY picture all about SURVIVAL of both subject and photographer! It is amazing that a photo like that can be taken at all. Below –20° the power cells freeze within minutes! Warming then a risk to chips inside the camera! After 7 votes the picture is at 4.0 which I think it’ll hold and i’m happy that Jorge risked taking it. Some cameras rip when reheating, i’ve seen it! If you rate it ** or *** Martin, you would still be inside the new rules. Everyone has different views. I have though, seen similar pictures worthy of publishing in “National Geographic” and “GEO”, those are the magazines which can help GLOBO to base its quality on. Nobody need rate as complicated as above, a true and honest or even gut feeling is OK. It is the AVERAGE which counts eventually after 20 or 50 votes and years from now! R‘Rudi [ This Message was edited by: rangutan on 2006-01-05 02:04 ] --- Rudolf "Rangutan" Graspointner Reply    Reply with quote    Contact rangutan   mortimer Premium account Joined: Jun 04 Points: 15075 Posts: 528 Posted: 2006-01-06 18:09:00    Hi Rudi Thank you for giving your detailed information about your voting for the said pic it's explains a lot. My way of rating is never as elaborate, I look at the pic and like it more or less and then think why it is so. I didn't like it especially and therefore found thouse negative adjecives connected with it. I too agree that GEO or Nationalgeographic has great pictures, I doubt that those pics would have been published in them, but anyway we here are only travellers and not professional photographers. I don't take your comments personally I just gave my view. Being moderater of the photo forum doesn't mean that I am a super guru on photography nor that my views have to be "right". Have a great day martin --- Today is the first day of the rest of your life, enjoy it! Reply    Reply with quote    Contact mortimer