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mortimer Premium account Joined: Jun 04 Points: 15075 Posts: 528 Posted: 2004-10-15 18:41:00    Hi you Quality freaks.... ;-) Some more thoughts on rated Pictures Sometimes you think you got that perfect shot and then it gets bad ratings... What to do then. When you upload a perfect picture (great colors, absolutely in focus, catching the spirit of the place, perfect light, great composition) and the first two persons did rate it low... (like only 3 stars) for whatever reasons. The thing I do now is delete it right after it and try to post it later on. You can have another critical view on it and perhaps enhance it a little digitally (but it doesn't need a thing because it was perfect before) Perhaps when you post it the next time there are the right people online that rate it first. (People who love the same subjects, style of pictrue, people that you never did wrong to before...) We did talk about this the other day in the chat when there were posts about picture and report quality in the forum. Some of us thought that pictures and reports of those who expressed a view and demanded higher standards got voted on higher standards than others. We had the impression that some people thought: " You blody bastard, talking about quality, but only uploading crap. I'll show you your quality "two stars!" " I personally do not know anybody that thinks along this line but it could always be possible that there is somebody after a little personal revenge. I noticed that a picture that has already got high ratings some people tend to stick with this rating, and vote similar. And when it's got 5 stars it stays on top of the list and gets voted on by more people. It's easier staying on top than going up. Oh, by the way: we all got some one or two star stuff in our galleries... if we would have a critical look on these and delete those that are like Russ said redundant (second shot of the same subject) not in an album or else not telling an important story... there would be more place for the rest of us, I know you would loose some points on your account but does it matter? Just some thougts of mine. Martin --- Today is the first day of the rest of your life, enjoy it! Reply    Reply with quote    Contact mortimer   picasso Premium account Joined: Aug 04 Points: 10057 Posts: 79 Posted: 2004-10-15 20:21:00    My personal thinking about this matter. Uploaded images have more and better rating; when there are more members on line. Usually more members on line are at very early morning times-PST (Pacific Standard Time). Of coarse, when some members start rating images with a personal negative approach to other member for some reason, then the whole idea of rating not only images, but also reports goes to the gutter. Myself, I prefer nature and scenic images more to compare with architectural images of cities, and I would always give higher rating to scenic and nature images. Also I would give higher rating to images with animals of any kind as well, but not with people on images (say carnivals or some kind of fiestas or something else-less stars for rating from me). So, before posting out your images the member has to know: the best time of the day for posting, and also very important-who is on line at the time of posting. Boris --- BORIS Reply    Reply with quote    Contact picasso   bear495 Joined: May 03 Points: 8634 Posts: 177 Posted: 2004-10-15 20:22:00    You are so correct, Martin. Some times it gets down to ego. We often become enamored with our own endeavors, only to find that others do not share the same views, or do not have the same enthusiasm as we do concerning our views. I have found that I must often accept that my idea of beauty is not always shared by others in the same light. As to someone in this forum downrating another based upon whether or not they have been offended, that sounds ludicrous. Do we really have members that feel that way about others? I hope not! Your idea about deleting items, retouching them, then resubmitting is wonderful. Many of the photos that are submitted would receive higher ratings from many others if only they would be touched up to show a better contrast. One of the things that really tends to irritate me when I am looking at a picture is to see it posted sideways, or upside-down. It hurts my neck to turn to the side and try to see value in anything. Perhaps that is a problem with gaining age, no? I have found myself rating those pictures turned sideways with a lower rating than I would if I could see them without the physical discomfort. A simple photo editor would allow a person to rotate the picture and submit it in a more easily seen manner. Well, enough ranting for today. Now, my back is hurting from getting my stress level elevated. Russ --- "Own only what you can carry with you; know language, know countries, know people. Let your memory be your travel bag." Alexander Solzhenitsyn Reply    Reply with quote    Contact bear495   bear495 Joined: May 03 Points: 8634 Posts: 177 Posted: 2004-10-15 20:33:00    Reading the post from Boris has brought new thoughts to my mind: What types of photos are of greatest interest to me (and others)? I agree, photographs of scenery and natural wonders tend to always rate higher with me. Also, photographs of monuments from ancient cultures (1500 or older) tend to pique my interest. Photographs with people in them (especially photos taken of the member posing in front of something to prove that they were there) rtend to receive lower ratings from me. Photographs of sunsets and sunrises, although sometimes beautiful, often have no visual context, and also receive my lower ratings (unless the photo is really outstanding). When I see photos of animals, it depends upon the clearness of the photo and the subject and upon the animal. A picture taken in one's backyard of a common bird should not receive the same rating as a picture taken of a rhino while on a trek to Africa. Russ --- "Own only what you can carry with you; know language, know countries, know people. Let your memory be your travel bag." Alexander Solzhenitsyn Reply    Reply with quote    Contact bear495   rangutan Premium account Joined: Aug 04 Points: 34752 Posts: 1044 Posted: 2004-10-16 09:09:00    I dont know if this is technically feasable but will help all of us with quality: howabout getting members with eagle-eyed capabitities and good judgement (like martin or the staff) to have say 5 or even 10 votes per rating, or/and the stars for those ratings then appearing in the colour gold/yellow instead of green as a sign of the quality being confirmed. Such members could be assigned a "QA" logo in his/her profile. Also for reports? --- Rudolf "Rangutan" Graspointner Reply    Reply with quote    Contact rangutan   mortimer Premium account Joined: Jun 04 Points: 15075 Posts: 528 Posted: 2004-10-16 12:17:00    Hi GLOBO's Having provoked another discussion.... great! Rudi I'm not saying that my votes are always right. Thank you considering me trying to give a fair vote on pictures and upholding high quality standards. But I don't think one or two members should have special rating possibilities, like this "expert" vote that you suggested. When there should be an expert let it be Andreas, he's the one who judges our work in here by electing the contest winners. Some general picture quality standards for me are: Focus, Focus, Focus - Playing with depht of field is something that makes pictures very interesting. - If you got common wide-angle shots there needs to be a perfect sharpnes. - If I see a picture which is blur due to poor light/shaking no need to post it. - Pictures that are not sharp are not worth uploading Composition - A close up shot of an animal head can be interesting to look at but when it got the ears cut off or the tongue not in the picture it looses some interest for me. - If walls of houses aren't straight or level (just a little bit off) the photographer was lazy, it's something else when this was done by purpose - I like pictures that go to the rules for the golden section/two third - one third - Pictures with a foreground or background are more interesting - Pictures of something very big need to have something to compare it - Proper use of Telephoto / Wide Angel Image size These are some specific GLOBOsapiens matters, as there are some Problems here with this matter. - Try to upload pictures that have 600 pixel as bigger number (600x400 or 400x600) then you get the smallest compression problems. - The bigger the better!!!! Go for Premium and judge the Pictures then! - Always look at a shot in different sizes befor rating it, try to find the biggest size for the picture. For me it's not always the picture when I hit enlarge to size L!!! (especially those pictures that are in Portrait format) - If you got a close up shot of soemthing the image can be pretty small but you would still be able to get the right message - If you got a scenic picture it needs to be very big to make a good impression because you loose so much detail when it's to small, I don't like humans or cars that look like a dust point on my computer screen. - When the GLOBOsapiens stamp on the picture is not sharp it has got to do with image compression!!!! try to find a size where the GLOBOsapiens stamp is perfect, the same that happens to the stamp aplies to the image! Exposure Exposure can be very important because when it's overexposed the colors loose power and when ist underexposed it's to dark. There are some possibilities to enhance exposure and color problems with a Photoediting software. Content of the picture As we are a travel community, I think the pictures need to be in context. But the context 'travel' is very wide and you can upload nearly everyting that is not your family pictures. I agree with all of you, that we don't want "me in front of ..." pictures. Pictures with people however, can give us a very good impression of what the place is like. When you got a market, festival, children playing or special workplace scene these pictures can be great to. As we praise ourselves being travellers, we do not only go places to see natural wonders or archeologic things, but we like to interact with the people there, mix with the culture and everything, so why not upload this stuff. I think these are the most difficult picutres to shoot and therefore when someone uploads a very good shot, he or she should be rewarded. But only good shots where the general photo rules apply! In some other posts I stated that there should be more talk about pictures, thats what we are doing here, great! But it should not only be in general, but foremost about specific pictures. There still is the comment function on pictures that would be great. Another thing could be, that Andy creates a new thread in the forum where somebody can post or suggest a picture that can be talked about and perhaps redone/finished in the proces. I am sure, that a lot of us could learn from others comments, not only those on your pictures but also on other's. It can be something like a picture FAQ. There would be possiblities to give feedback and tips for future shots, these tips would aplly to everybody. It could be called Picture Talk / Photographic Talk / Picture tips / There should also be the possibility to upload a picture to the post this would make it a lot easier to talk about. Thank you for reading... Martin [ This Message was edited by: mortimer on 2004-10-16 18:01 ] --- Today is the first day of the rest of your life, enjoy it! Reply    Reply with quote    Contact mortimer   ravinderkumarsi Premium account Joined: Aug 04 Points: 14003 Posts: 451 Posted: 2004-10-16 14:26:00    hii boris, i fully agree with you that some of the pics are not rated ,specially if one have uploaded a lots of pictures. ravi --- at bangalore /back 2 globo after a long Reply    Reply with quote    Contact ravinderkumarsi   bear495 Joined: May 03 Points: 8634 Posts: 177 Posted: 2004-10-18 15:51:00    Martin, I agree with you on most of what you say. It seems as though you have some wonderful ideas about the qualities of the photos that many of us do not always think of before posting our pictures. Your thoughts about the photos of people are interesting, but I think thta we need to remember to take things in context. A photo of a waiter in a restaurant really is of no interest to me. I do not understand the context of such a photo. However, a photograph of an indigenous person working on something that they do in his or her daily life, especially when it is different from the culture which most of us share, should be rewarded... that is, if the photo is of a competent quality. Photographs of a person that someone posts just because he or she thinks that the person is attractive probably belong on a different website. Also, photographs of a person that might be interesting can sometimes be ruined when it is difficult to determine whether they are what they have been described as being. I noticed some photos of a Tuareg. One photo showed the person in traditional raiment, seated on a camel in what appeared to be a desert. This was very interesting to me and receieved a fine rating. However, a close-up of the same person ruined the image for me because I could not tell if this person was from the desert, an Alleut from the north of Canada, or a person of Slavic heritage. Context can be important. By the way, what do all of you think about the value of taking pictures of one's hotel? Some of the architecture is interesting (sometimes), but is there any other value for which we need look? Russ --- "Own only what you can carry with you; know language, know countries, know people. Let your memory be your travel bag." Alexander Solzhenitsyn Reply    Reply with quote    Contact bear495   andreas Joined: May 02 Points: 8313 Posts: 809 Posted: 2004-10-18 15:56:00    Hi everybody, I am impressed by the amount of thought you guys put into this. That is a bit too much text for me to keep track off. If you guys have a definitive suggestion worked out, I would appreciate if you send me a very short summary, so I dont have to go through all the discussion. Thank you in advance, Andy Reply    Reply with quote    Contact andreas   bear495 Joined: May 03 Points: 8634 Posts: 177 Posted: 2004-10-18 16:05:00    Andy, I think that we could determine a set of guidelines for rating photos on which many, or most, of us could agree. Each of us has certain subjects that either interest us or that we believe that do not belong, therefore leading to variation in rating. However, there should be some way of rating the photos that would be consistent among most of us. Forums such as this help me, and I hope others, to voice our opinions and listen to others. By the way, on a rating scale of 5, I always think that a rating of 3 means average. Nothing wrong, just average. That does not mean that the picture (or report) has anything wrong with it. Just that it is an average photo that someone might take on a trip to some location. Russ --- "Own only what you can carry with you; know language, know countries, know people. Let your memory be your travel bag." Alexander Solzhenitsyn Reply    Reply with quote    Contact bear495   Page: 1 2 3 4