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Posted: 2007-11-21 10:03:00
Hi there,
I realize that there is an unequal weight in getting points in regards of the travel reports. They are much harder to achieve as a report requires way more time to write.
There might be an update coming up that will adjust this and grant way more points for high class reports. The existing points will then be recalculated to treat everybody equal. This might lead to a different ranking inside the user table. It's not a decision yet, but close to it.
Thank you for any feedback on that suggestion.
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andy
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Posted: 2007-11-24 17:47:00
Hello Rudi,
I agree that there are reports on GLOBO that are not of the quality that they could be. However, good reports deserve a way higher rating as they require way more time to publish. The reports you have mentioned are negative examples of which I am sure I could show you pictures that fit the same thing.
Most of the reports you mentioned are very old where standards have been lower.
Have a look at mariannes reports and others, they deserve more points which they eventually will get with a future update to come. Some bad reports from members that do not login for ages will not spoil that just because they will grab some 3 digit extra points or so.
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andy
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Posted: 2007-11-24 19:12:00
I totally agree Andy and since then, I think that we should not worry about the very small amount of spam. It is 99% of the material that is just what travellers need and that is why we use and love GLOBO! ---
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Posted: 2007-11-25 13:32:00
Andy, If / when you update reports, could the photo quality be updated as well. At the moment there is a big difference in quality of photos uploaded in the photo gallery and those in reports. ---
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davidx
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Posted: 2007-11-25 15:32:00
I have followed this thread with interest, being convinced of the general line of thought from the tsart, but not convinced about the detail.
Who is going to decide whether a report should get extra points. If it's left to members, we are in the same situation as now - where, for instance my Marrakech and Setti Fatma reports both get 5*, hwen I find it totally clear, and I know Rudi agrees, that one is streets better than the other. I have thought the same thing more than once about my own and other people's reports and photos.
On the other hand, if it is left to Andy, I htink that would be satisfactory for the particular decision - but would it put people off grading, which I feel would be a pity as it does encourage thoughtful reading. People might feel that there was little point if they could play no part in such a major decision.
I am tempted towards the idea of a compromise solution where Andy makes the final decision but members grading reports can nominate a report for consideration of being outstanding - obviously only if they give 5* for it.
That leaves the question of what happens if Andy thinks a report deserves this credit but nobody or few nominate it. Here the democratic bit of me says more than one person should be impressed. Occasionally Andy has encouraged some debate about our awards. Perhaps he would consider doing the same in these cases. I hope they would be rare. ---
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Posted: 2007-11-25 16:12:00
What I understood was that simply ALL reports would get more points. I think it is now 15 for a long report (or is it for a short one?) and fewer points for a shorter one. In the new rating system long reports will now get 30 points and shorter reports fewer (30 is only an example). This rating is based on length.
More points for reports is a good idea because writing a report takes up a lot of time. (For anyone whether it is a well–written or not so well-written report. There always will be bad reports, this cannot be cannot avoided). Extra points are already given for each photo that is added, that is a good thing because adding photos is often time consuming.
It is completely different if quality is taken into consideration. I agree with David that many reports are graded too generously. (There is some good in this as it stimulates newcomers to write and participate). A solution could be to haveboth community grading (the way it is now) and 'expert' grading. If the expert grading is 5* extra points are given. The only problem is; who is / are the experts?
Andy could be one, but that would mean a lot of work for him. A bunch of senior members could grade reports (as experts). But that would exclude them from rating reports as members, unless the expert rating is a group process.
Member experts could be combined in a group of e.g. 5 members and give a group rating. This rating is based on quality and reliable information. They should rate according to the same standards, which means there are to be guidelines. (This sounds as if I am back at school grading papers)
However, I don't think there is a good solution. Therefore, it is probably best to leave things the way they are, and possibly give more points for ALL reports (as discussed in paragraph 1). Good reports are chosen as RoM that is the challenge and the reward for well-written reports.
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Posted: 2007-11-25 16:28:00
I quite like the idea of a panel of experts - say 5 as experts would not be able to propose their own reports and that would leave another four.
Where I am less in agreement with Marianne is the idea that RoM is suitable for this purpose. I know Andy believes in shifting it around a bit. I agree with htis but it means effevtively that somebody geting an RoM award is 'out' for a bit.
I don't want all reports to be excellent. If I did, I should never have submitted reports without photos or reports on some places of which I didn't think I had much knowledge but I hope some information is better than none and I'm not sorry for any. However I do feel that the real high quality reports deserve something extra. Marianne's idea of making it competitive could be achieved by only allowing up to a maximum number in any month.
Just some thoughts - that may change after more discussion.
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Posted: 2007-11-25 17:31:00
Interesting ideas Marianne and David.
In short: the system should automatically award extra points for quality, not a few moody individuals.
.... I always promote the rating system because it is a very democratic thing. If we were to put together a group of "GLOBOexperts" then we would become a society, club or organisation. Do we want that? I like GLOBO as the international community as it is and where everyone has equal rights, say and rating power. If we would just get MORE members to rate, the system would become more efficient and accurate, showing which report (or picture) is better and the system (not necessarily Andy or anyone) can award extra points (and even monthly awards) automatically even when everyone is on a holiday or has no more interest. I sent Andy a mathematical formula in 2005 that could automatically choose MoM if he was ever undecided. We could develope one for RoM and extra points for excellent reports?
Naturally a server/computer could never detect the few cheaters on earth and very seldom at GLOBO. It would be up to the community to find them and report them. ---
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