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ehs1193 Joined: Jan 06 Points: 1261 Posts: 29 Posted: 2006-03-20 02:47:00    Sometimes when I rate pictures, it tells me that I'm upgrading this picture. It does look like a good picture but the person in front rated it lower than it should have. There needs to be a way so either I can rate it to whatever I think it should be, or maybe they shouldn't rate it so low the first time. It's not bad to rate it high because it's good. Whoever rated it that low must have a grudge against pictures. --- Wunderkind Reply    Reply with quote    Contact ehs1193   mortimer Premium account Joined: Jun 04 Points: 15075 Posts: 528 Posted: 2006-03-20 08:04:00    Hi Ethan This is not an error that you encounter, this function has been installed in order to eliminate over or underratings. see those topics on picture ratings for more information: http://www.globosapiens.net/topic-rating-of-content-on-globosapiens_29_2105_0000.html http://www.globosapiens.net/topic-new-protection-agains-rating-fraud_29_2113_0000.html http://www.globosapiens.net/topic-how-to-rate-pictures_34_1282_0000.html So it's up to everybody else to decide on what rating they would give and some have other views than you might have. Usually though I would say that if you tend to give a higher vote than it would be acceptable for the system, you might be thinking of lifting the overall vote. Therefore this "fraud" protection was installed in the first place. If however the first vote is already a fraud it takes more votes to get a fair average. look here for instance: http://www.globosapiens.net/athematrixx/picture-the-party-of-my-close-friend-32125.html Picture delete in the meantime sportgirl clearly mustn't have been serious with the 5star vote... Hope it helps Have a great day Martin [ This Message was edited by: mortimer on 2006-03-21 08:36 ] --- Today is the first day of the rest of your life, enjoy it! Reply    Reply with quote    Contact mortimer   marianne Premium account Joined: Sep 03 Points: 20248 Posts: 349 Posted: 2006-03-20 09:49:00    Would it be a good idea that if we underrate or overrate we cannot do this anonymously and will always have to fill in our comments and tell why we rate the photo this way. Or another solution photos can onlt be rated together with comments. --- “I travel not to go anywhere, but to go. I travel for travel’s sake. The great affair is to move.” Robert Louis Stevenson Reply    Reply with quote    Contact marianne   mortimer Premium account Joined: Jun 04 Points: 15075 Posts: 528 Posted: 2006-03-20 10:24:00    Hi Marianne This would mean, that if we vote 5 or 1 star, a comment would be mandatory. I don't know whether this would be a good idea, I for instance have been blamed for giving my views, when I gave lower ratings and therefore now refrain from commenting on those. I am here on GLOBO for fun so I only give positive comments and keep the negative for miself (mostly). A mandatory comment for every rated picture is hindering more votes, the most important thing about voting on pictures, is that more people vote! Having a mandatory comment means less votes... Have a great day Martin --- Today is the first day of the rest of your life, enjoy it! Reply    Reply with quote    Contact mortimer   mortimer Premium account Joined: Jun 04 Points: 15075 Posts: 528 Posted: 2006-03-20 11:33:00    @ ethan By the way it would be good to include the link to the content that you are talking about so that everybody can go there, look and decide for themselfes. It helps to understand what you are talking about. And perhaps you could give some more facts on resons why you don't agree with the first vote. If you don't know how to insert links look here: http://www.globosapiens.net/topic-copying-links-of-pictures-and-reports-and...-to-your-posts_34_1177_0000.html Hope it helps Have a great day Martin --- Today is the first day of the rest of your life, enjoy it! Reply    Reply with quote    Contact mortimer   ehs1193 Joined: Jan 06 Points: 1261 Posts: 29 Posted: 2006-03-21 01:49:00    This is the picture. It is a 3* and I can't rate it a 4*. I don't think it's person anymore. If there are only two votes and I can't rate it that, I don't know what's wrong. http://www.globosapiens.net/inzaghi/picture-let-there-be-light-819.html?rating=1 --- Wunderkind Reply    Reply with quote    Contact ehs1193   mortimer Premium account Joined: Jun 04 Points: 15075 Posts: 528 Posted: 2006-03-21 08:35:00    Hi Ethan Now that I see the picutre I can advise you on why somebody might have rated this picture with only one or two stars. I know that some among us are not fond of sunsets for various resons and therefore apply quite strict ratings. Some of the reasons: most of the sunset pictures could be taken anywhere, they are not in focus, there is not much discernible other than the sun, they tend to get boring after seeing dozens of them In this particular picture we find some nice colors and a nice compostition with the sun just off center. And the faint silhouette of a mountain range with a black foreground. According to our rating guide lines this picture surely qualifies for 3 stars, I don't think it's worth 4 because its good but not great I'm missing clarity or more subject, more details of the place it was taken. It has a good title however (sort of a word play) It's a good picture therefore 3 stars. As explained in the rating guidelines somebody might have deduced one or two stars because the found the picture not creative or original enough. I find now that voting *** was ok for this picture, this would always have been possible even when the first vote would have been only *. If you wanted to vote higher in order to lift the overall vote this would be a fraud upgrade because you tried to give more value to your vote ;-) (or help the picture find the in your eyes correct average vote) The system which hindered you was to prevent such votes and let only the mass of votes decide. Hope this explains well enough, and still these are my personal views. Have a great day Martin --- Today is the first day of the rest of your life, enjoy it! Reply    Reply with quote    Contact mortimer   rangutan Premium account Joined: Aug 04 Points: 34752 Posts: 1044 Posted: 2006-03-21 18:56:00    Ethan has found the one small problem with the rating system all us adults have missed or forgot about. When one identifies the problem, the solution is very easy! It is the first few ratings and particularly the FIRST rating that is so important. The solution therefore is to get three or best 6 moderators to rate EVERYTHING and as quickly as possible once the picture is uploaded. The moderators will never rate the same but I expect within a star or two of each other. Once the picture reaches an average of say 1,5 or 4,5 any member rating outside TWO of the average must either be wrong or rate the best he/she can (must?) leave a COMMENT why the picture should be up or down-graded. Members following will read the comments and then judge for themselves how to rate best. The picture will then soon reach itz REAL democratic average and most members will be happy and the phantom rating defeated! Also, if only MORE members would rate, the average from say 20 members cann't be wrong? Thanks Ethan, our "Wunderkind" RR [ This Message was edited by: rangutan on 2006-03-21 19:02 ] --- Rudolf "Rangutan" Graspointner Reply    Reply with quote    Contact rangutan   ehs1193 Joined: Jan 06 Points: 1261 Posts: 29 Posted: 2006-03-22 00:53:00    Since it's probably critiqued by the expert of pictures around here, I can say that I might have overrated it. I am fond of sunsets too. And the idea of the moderators rating it pronto is a good idea. The comments and rating can serve as a basis for rating a picture. Wunderkind --- Wunderkind Reply    Reply with quote    Contact ehs1193   mortimer Premium account Joined: Jun 04 Points: 15075 Posts: 528 Posted: 2006-03-22 11:14:00    Ethan You would have rated higher than others and that would be perfectly ok. Because this is your personal view! And nobody has the right to deny you the right to have a personal view. The abuse/fraut protection was installed because there were people that tried to lift the overall o rating. Or even worse to punish people for their activity in the community. It happened that some people gave poor ratings to people who criticised their work or their style or simply because they had better ratings in general. And there were people who had double accounts just to vote high on their personal pictures, these are the reasons that we now are a bit hindered to express our personal views. So whenever you now encounter a fraud up or downgrade message don't worry and get it the highest or lowest possible vote :-) Have a great day Martin P.S. Thank you for suggesting that I might be an expert on photography, but I'm far from being an expert. It's just so that I am expressing my thoughts and feelings quite directly and therefore sometimes might sound like an expert :-) --- Today is the first day of the rest of your life, enjoy it! Reply    Reply with quote    Contact mortimer   Page: 1 2