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Posted: 2006-03-22 20:20:00
Martin
I'm sure you can't mean that IF I should be lucky enough to see a bear or wolf in Abruzzo, it shouldn't be sent here as a travel photo. However I agree with your substantive point that we shouldn't raise false expectations and IF [I'd make it a big big IF if I could] I do have such luck, I shall need to emphasise in the comments how rare a sight it is there.
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Posted: 2006-03-23 03:16:00
I would like to chime in with Christian here. While I agree that some sort of wording should be displayed in the upload process on what an appropriate photo is, I think that members, by rating photos accordingly, police what gets uploaded. "Travel" covers a lot of territory (forgive the pun) and what it means to one person may not be what it means to another. And I am back to "I would rather see a something mediocre that gave me a feel of a place than nothing at all." Unless it is causing a space problem for Andy, pictures only stay up for 24 hours (especially true at the volume we are now getting) and fall off there after. While I agree that there are some inappropriate photos, I think they are the exception rather than the rule.
Germany must be experiencing better weather than California right now ~ I can see snow on the hilltops out my window...
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Posted: 2006-03-23 11:58:00
Hi Martin
If I hadn't known you would take my messages in the spirit they were meant, I should never have sent them in that form - although I have made mistakes with other people at least twice!
The serious point, of course, was the one about saying when something is rare. None of us knows what is common/rare in all places so it would be only too easy to raise hopes that are most unlikely to be fulfilled.
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Posted: 2006-03-24 15:59:00
I want to thank Martin and Marianne for opening this topic. When I was new to this website (2003) it was relatively small. Andy personally went through almost every entry for reports and photos. If the content was not what he considered travel-related the postings were deleted and a message was sent telling the person who posted that the material was "inappropriate for xxxx reason." Growth of the membership and the number of submissions has led to many changes on Globo. There is rarely any check regarding the appropriateness of submissions, unless another member brings it to the forefront. It would be nice to see some Spring house-cleaning with the files that we have.
Based on the numbers of submissions received to the "Pictures" gallery, the only way to insure that materials submitted are travel-related is to have a group of moderators. As things stand, it is difficult for the system to keep up with the vast multitude of pictures submitted. I think that decisions to remove pictures should be a group decision, though, not based on the judgement of one individual.
I disgree with one of the earlier postings to this topic regarding pictures being appropriate if they "show the feel" for the area. Sometimes people stage photos or have scenes posed for effect. To me, the false impressions do more harm to the intent of the website than they improve the quality. We frequently expound on the fact that we wish to have a high-quality product. Based upon those expressions, we need to be consistent in the quality of our presentations.
These are my initial thoughts. It will take me a few days to solidify further thoughts.
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Posted: 2006-03-24 21:23:00
For the purposes of this discussion, I have upload to my Profile Pic what I would consider an inappropriate staged photo. I wouldn't upload this to the Pictures section. That said, I like travel pictures of children, many of which are going to have kids posing somewhat and looking into the camera. I also like photos of people - I do think they have value regardless of whether they are looking directly into the camera or not. I like Marianne's idea of bringing balloons - all three of my older kids work as balloon artists in restaurants to make ends met while attending college - I think I will have them bring balloons on upcoming trips.
I like Martin's list of what should be in a pciture, but I wouldn't want to feel limited by it. I am a heathen - if I think it is interesting enough, I'll post it and if it scores ** or less, I'll delete it.
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Eire
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Posted: 2006-03-25 07:31:00
I have sat back for some time now and read many different discussions about changing the guidelines on various aspects of Globo. Some may be better for the site. However I believe that if all of the points raised were implemented much of what I personally like about Globo may be lost, it would be far too constricting to be enjoyable both contributing and seeing what is uploaded. Sure, there needs to be some guidelines but as for having a rigid voting system for both pics & reports would detract the pleasure of viewing. So what if pictures are staged..if they capture some a time or place, an impromptu joy or essence of the moment isn't that enough? I too love taking photos of people, kids especially and know how difficult it is to capture them without them knowing it. On my last trip to Cambodia 2 photos that I took of local kids come to mind, they are not great photos technically but to me because thet were taken at the Cheong Ek mass gravesite they capture the spirit of a country that has been through so much but they can still smile, it was only when I actually returned home I realised that one of them had given me the peace signal.
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Posted: 2006-03-25 11:43:00
I think we ignore Kerrie's point at our peril. If a site becomes so technical that you have to spend ages considering whether something you want to say is suitable or not, the answer may be to go to another site.
The very first requirement is that a site MUST be enjoyable - far more important than anything else for attracting and retaining members. It's why I joined and why I've stayed and I bet that applies to everybody.
However, as long as guidelines are just that - notes of GUIDANCE and not a harness and chain, I think they can enhance a site's enjoyability rather than detract from it.
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