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davidx

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Posted: 2008-12-08 00:50:00   

I have no answer here but it seemed worth while to try to start another discussion.
I think that the number of pictures being uploaded has become a problem on many days. I went right through 50 odd one morning recently and it took most of the mornng to rate them and put comments on about 8. Today there are over 70 and I shall perhaps rate some but I just can't spare the time to look at them all.
Suggestions have been made a number of times that members should limit themselves to a maximum on any one day. However some members don't comply with that.

So what can we do? There could be a fixed maximum, where the site prevented any one member uploading more than a maximum number per day - but in general arbitrary rules of this kind can be a pain. Would a suggestion on the uploading process that more than x from a single member in a day would normally be unwelcome seem a better idea.

I feel that either might store up problems for the future as members' stores of waiting photos get longer but, unless we do something, we have to accept the possibility that some really good photos are never seen - let alone rated.

What do others think?

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krisek

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Posted: 2008-12-08 00:50:00   

Hello,

I think we need to strike a balance between making GLOBO too restrictive & over regulated and drafting a good code of conduct. It would be strange for a global friendly community to impose restrictions not on an unacceptable behaviour but on how much members can contribute to the community. In my opinion, being free to decide how many photographs, albums, reports, travel tips, discussions one would like to create is what makes GLOBO. I think the idea of our website was to create the best database in the world of images, references and suggestions related to travel. When looking for inspirations were to go next, I look up a place in the Guides, and view reports, photos, travel tips, etc for it. The more material there the better and more helpful GLOBO becomes.

I have to admit that I am not aware of any specific code of conduct with regard to the number of submissions, as I have just been with GLOBO for under a year, and have not read all historical discussions. I might have been over enthusiastic with GLOBO submitting over 2,000 photos, 100 reports on 80 countries, 40 slide shows, 240 travel tips in the last ten months. So, I am the guilty one here!

If we draft a reasonable code of conduct, then I will happily sign up to it.

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Posted: 2008-12-08 00:50:00   

Hi guys,

I don't have a comprehensive solution for the problem but I think most of us will agree it is a problem. Some time ago I used to browse through all new stuff published but now I simply don't have time to even see half of the pics uploaded. As you said, David, many photos remain unrated because it's simply impossible even to skim through them. Some members have many unrated pics that they uploaded two weeks or even a month ago. Maybe it's worth considering slowing down with uploads? I wouldn't have any pleasure sharing stuff if I knew nobody enjoys it.
I think there are two ways to reduce the numbers uploaded: let's not upload a dozen of pics of one object with only different angle or zoom and don't let's upload trash (unfortunately some members do so). If you want to know what trash is - check your 1 and some of 2-star pics.

Any other ideas?


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Posted: 2008-12-08 00:50:00   

In my opinion there is no point in regulating the amount of content uploaded by any member.

Of course we have the difference between free and premium members. Otherwise I don't think regulation is necessary.

This is just a matter of how many active members we have. If we have 100 active posters and they will each just post one picture per day there is no way of keeping up with new content. If we just have one member posting and he is sharing 10 pics we would like to see more...

So it's just a matter of growth. And I really would like to see a lot more active members. Not being able to keep up with posted content is a very good sign for Globosapiens. :-)

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Posted: 2008-12-08 00:50:00   

If I may add a little more...

I was thinking about this matter. I do not believe this is a problem. I think this is good. We should think about the purpose of GLOBOsapiens. Is this a website for members to get their material rated, or is it a website for travellers to submit and view it. If the community was to grow, a number of submission can be expected grow. Is that a bad thing? Is it so bad to have the world's largest database of proprietary travel-related reference material?

I think we should also be careful with our judgement on the quality. It is a matter of taste what we individually consider a 2* or 3* material. With regard to photographs, for example - do members submit their photos expecting to receive poor ratings? If they did, they would not upload them, would they? I think the new definitions of the ratings are much better than the previous ones, by the way, which seemed to have been sending wrong messages.

There are only 24,400 or so members and that is not many, and there are maybe just 20+ active ones. I also would like to see more active members and more material posted. This would make GLOBO more attractive for the new joiners. There are still many, many places within our database that are poorly documented. For example, I have been looking for travel tips, photos and reports on Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan and I did not find much...

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Posted: 2008-12-08 00:50:00   

So maybe it's possible to see all the top pictures from the last 24 hrs? Not only four but all of them. The link can be placed on the home page. This way the members would have access to the recent content of better value. Of course, not rated pics will be omitted, but at least one would be able to see what other think is worthwhile.

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krisek

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Posted: 2008-12-08 00:54:00   

I have also suggested that maybe we should have a global chronological filter for pictures and reports. This way, if a member does not log for a longer while, it would be possible to see the entire material chronologically - in the same way individual members can see their pictures in their profiles. I think this might help in catching up on ratings and providing feedback.

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Posted: 2008-12-08 21:35:00   

Another way is to have all pictures in the database where you can searh but then have a number of rated listings say the top 100 pictures voted by memebers, the top 100 chosen by Globo staff and perhaps other selections made by different specialist groups within Globo.
I agree that the rating can miss many excellent pictures altogether under current conditions. However, I think the rules should evolve with the growth of Globo rather than restrict the input to serve the existing rules. This to paraphrase another member is my two euro cents worth from the rather bedraggled tiger economy

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davidx

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Posted: 2008-12-23 12:05:00   

I am pleased to see so much thoughtful discussion on this subject. I do agree that the purpose of uploading photos is to share them rather than to have them rated and the lack of ratings as such is not a great worry, although I do feel I have learned quite a bit from ratings of my own and others' photos. Hoewever I do still feel a concern that some really good photos may never be viewed. This must be a problem, surely, albeit I take Martin's point that a dearth of submissions would be far worse.

I find the arguments against fixing a limit totally convincing but I do feel that some voluntary restraint should be exercised. I think I shall move further into the direction of 'why upload this?' rather than 'why not upload this?' when deciding about my own.

Krys has a very important point about the areas not or only thinly covered and this would be reflected in the answer to 'why upload?' It certainly influenced me in uploading pictures of the Færoes. However, for well covered areas, even if the photos deserve uploading for a different perspective, for their sheer quality or whatever, does it really matter if the uploading is spread over a number of days?

In short I hope to see numerous photos continuing to come in during 2009, especially from newer members or of previously neglected places but I shall continue to look for a reason if a single member has uploaded a lot in one day.

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Posted: 2008-12-28 12:07:00   


Of course we shouldn't post photos just for the ratings or to increase our points total, but at the same time we should not compromise on quantity over quality.

Since the advent of the digital camera we all come home with hundreds of photos instead of dozens (when we still had to pay for films and development). But that doesn't mean we have to post them all. We have to execute some quality control ourselves before we post them. That doesn't mean not to post on a subject that has been covered before, of course I would want to have my own pictures of Chichen Itza, for example, on my site. What it does mean is to make sure you pick your very best. I usually ask myself: would I like to have the photo in A4 format on my wall? If yes, then I post it. Obviously there will also always be pics that are not, but then I ask myself: is it quirky or different enough to be of interest?

As to the number of photos posted by a member in any given day, I have to agree that there is sometimes just too much (and I am guilty here as well). At the beginning of December I didn't get much time to log on and after less than a fortnight there were 253 new photos posted. Yes, it is great as it does make this site more interesting, but surely people post photos to share them with other members even if they don't care about ratings. Otherwise, why bother?

I know it is very tempting when you have just come back from a trip to get carried away and post as many as possible, but as most of the more active members are logging in every few days if not every day anyway, there would be no harm in limiting yourself to 10 pics a day which means that even if you wanted to publish an album it would only take 2 or 3 days until you have enough photos. I will stick to this, my own rule, from now on.

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