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The greatest adventurers of the history.

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jorgesanchez Premium account Joined: May 05 Points: 41625 Posts: 77 Posted: 2008-11-17 17:38:00    Jean Philippe, me quito el sombrero! (hat off to you!). I assumed that Jean Carpin was French since you, being French, from Lyon, took his name in Globosapiens, but no, he was Italian, right, thanks for the info. It was after a Council in Lyon that the pope Innocent IV sent an embassy to the Mongols, departing Lyon) in which Jean Carpin was chosen (I am reading the Encyclopaedia, hehehe… I am not as erudite as you are. Glad that you appreciate 6 of my proposals. I forgot to add Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca, from the Pánfilo de Narváez expedition, that disembarked in Florida and during 8 years crossed America on foot, from the Atlantic to the coast of Sinaloa, Mexico, in the Pacific Ocean (Gulf of California), after many adventures and exploits with the Indians, and out of 300 Spaniards who started the expedition only Cabeza de Vaca, 3 more Spaniards and a Berber from Morocco survived. Cabeza de Vaca was the first European to discover Iguazu Falls. Dani Serralta, the starter of this theme, will be very happy with your contribution. Just my two reales de vellón (XVII Spanish currency). [edited by jorgesanchez at 2008-11-15 14:59] --- Bonum est faciendum et prosequendum, et malum vitandum. Reply    Reply with quote    Contact jorgesanchez   plancarpin Premium account Joined: Aug 08 Points: 3228 Posts: 28 Posted: 2008-11-17 17:38:00    Jorge, do not flatter me that much! ;-) I agree with not only on the 6 first, but also on 9 out of your 10; just try to negociate to replace only one of your list..your modesty also forgot Ruy Gonzalez de Clavijo...his book is now translated in french, and, yes of course, I have it at home! So spaniards are definitely the most travelled people!! in french we say: bon sang ne saurait mentir (good blood can't lie) your travel addiction is genetic!! ;-)) --- One travels, not to change locations, but ideas. Hippolyte Taine (french philosopher) Reply    Reply with quote    Contact plancarpin   frenchfrog Premium account Joined: Dec 05 Points: 26139 Posts: 60 Posted: 2008-11-17 17:38:00    Hi, my favourite Alexandra David Neel, the first European women to enter Lhasa. --- "It is far more better to have seen it once than to have heard about it a thousand time." Mongolian proverb Reply    Reply with quote    Contact frenchfrog   plancarpin Premium account Joined: Aug 08 Points: 3228 Posts: 28 Posted: 2008-11-17 17:38:00    yes, right! the french Alexandra David-Neel and the swiss Ella Maillart were 2 female travellers of the last century, one in the Himalaya, the other in Central Asia. full respect for what they achieved; jp --- One travels, not to change locations, but ideas. Hippolyte Taine (french philosopher) Reply    Reply with quote    Contact plancarpin   hieronyma Premium account Joined: Aug 02 Points: 6484 Posts: 139 Posted: 2008-11-17 17:38:00    Sven Hedin and the Gobi Desert. Next more, Because there are Germans too. Hieronyma --- "To Live In One Country Is Captivity", John Donne, "Change", 1635 Reply    Reply with quote    Contact hieronyma   plancarpin Premium account Joined: Aug 08 Points: 3228 Posts: 28 Posted: 2008-11-17 17:38:00    Hallo Christl, Ja, schtimmt! Also, Sven Hedin war Swedisch, und dazu kommt noch Albert von Lecoq (Deutsch), Paul Peillot (aus Frankreich) und Aurel Stein (GB). For me, they were more, scientist and scholars explorators with big financial help from respective gouvernments, and very good expedition infrastructures, than real big Travellers. Nevertheless, they all 4 , were, in the 1920th, the first europeans to extensively travel around the Taklamakan desert in Chinese Turkestan (nowdays Xinjjiang) and bringing to light the wonderful Mogao caves for exemple..but also many other desert oasises, like Lulan, Endere, Niya... mostly located on the south rim of the desert (road followed by Marco Polo). a perfect book "foreign devils on the Silk Road" from Peter Hopkirk perfectly summarized those odyssees . Ich weisse nicht ob das Buch auf deutsch übersetzt ist... Tschüss --- One travels, not to change locations, but ideas. Hippolyte Taine (french philosopher) Reply    Reply with quote    Contact plancarpin   yuliangpang Premium account Joined: Oct 08 Points: 4259 Posts: 4 Posted: 2008-11-17 17:38:00    The list that I gave to you would be quite strange to you: Xu Xiake(1586-1641), well-known in China for his touring report around China. Born in the Ming Dynasty, spent 34 years, more than half of his life, travelling around 16 provinces of China, made great contribution in geography. Li Bai(701-762), one of the greatest poet in Tang Dynasty, but he was also an excellent tourist. You can not imagine if he did not travel around China, he would make thousands well-known poems. He is the symbol of Chinese Poem. Tang Xuanzang(602-604), the well-known monk in Tang Dynasty, who travelled to India from China for the Buddism. It is he that brought Buddism to China. Zhang Qian( 164 BC-114BC), Han Dynasty, the first Chinese went to Middle Asia, the builder of the so-called silk road. Zheng He (1371-1433), Ming Dynasty, the first chinese leading a team of shipmen to Red Sea and Africa. He did this even 100 years before Christopher Colombo. During the Beijing Openning Ceremony, there was one part for him. --- Traveling makes life enriched, i am trying to be Chinese Marco Paolo, introducing more what i see in Europe to you from new perspectives. Reply    Reply with quote    Contact yuliangpang   hieronyma Premium account Joined: Aug 02 Points: 6484 Posts: 139 Posted: 2008-11-17 17:38:00    I had to visit my library: Alexander von Humboldt, Amerika, Rußland. 19.Jh. Ferdinand von Richthofen, China 1808-1872 Heinrich von Maltzan, Mekka, 1849-1856 Paul Wilhelm von Württemberg, Mexiko, Südamerika, 1849-1856 Martin Wintergerst, Zwischen Nordmeer und Indischem Ozean, 1688-1710 Ida Pfeiffer, Um die Welt, 19. Jh. nicht zu vergessen: Bruce Chatwin Gertrude Bell Freya Stark Isabelle Eberhardt Michael Asher, Von Mauretanien durch die Wüste in den Sudan, Eric Newby The Ladies of Castlebrae, Agnes Lewis and her twin sister Maggie Gibson, Sinai, where they discovered a very early Syriac version of the gospel in the monastery of St. Catherine Isabelle Bird Bishop, North America, Hawaii, Orient, Central Asia (India, China, Tibet) Hieronyma [edited by hieronyma at 2008-11-17 17:38] --- "To Live In One Country Is Captivity", John Donne, "Change", 1635 Reply    Reply with quote    Contact hieronyma   plancarpin Premium account Joined: Aug 08 Points: 3228 Posts: 28 Posted: 2008-11-17 18:04:00    For Yuliang: both Xuanzang and Zhang Qian were on my list! ;-)see above, page 2! no way to forget them! ;-)) for Christl: as few people know, Ferdinand von Richthofen was the first to create and use the term: Silkroad (SeideStrasse) in 1860.. the road in itself is much older than the name we use for it! --- One travels, not to change locations, but ideas. Hippolyte Taine (french philosopher) Reply    Reply with quote    Contact plancarpin   yuliangpang Premium account Joined: Oct 08 Points: 4259 Posts: 4 Posted: 2008-11-17 19:49:00    Hi, Jorge: Actually we are doing quite controversial job here. You can not limit your list of so-called greatest travellers to those who supposed to be the first one found a piece of land. There are some greatest travellers who great contributions in other areas, such as in literary, medicine, etc. I am really surprised by someone who are even putting the so called Dalai Lama here. He is greatest travellers for what??? for trying to telling the world a wrong story or leading a country which had struggled so hard to gain its peace and development just 100 years to another dangerous situation of conflict. Choosing a liar as one of the greatest travellers would definitely a shame!!! Secondly, all those greatest travellers that you are choosing are from Spain and Portugal. I do agree they found some new lands and change the world, but ensuing colony was disaster for the aborginals. Even in China, no one challenges Marco Polo is great traveller, but there are a lot of people saying he attributed to some extent to the invasion of the western powers into china. Thirdly, in line with your criteria for choosing top travellers, this guy should not be forgotted. Zheng He, you may saw his story during the Beijing Olympic Openning Ceremony, in Chinese Ming Dynasty, went to Red Sea and North Africa even one hundreds before Christopher Colombus. Fourthly, it would be more correct to change the name of your initiative to "the greatest western adventurers". To me, it would be more helpful if you can make your criteria for doing the job more clear and well-defined, otherwise I do not believe the results will be widely accepted. --- Traveling makes life enriched, i am trying to be Chinese Marco Paolo, introducing more what i see in Europe to you from new perspectives. 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