ehs1193
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Posted: 2006-03-28 14:30:00
The first picture should be deleted. It's obvious that it was taken from some book. What was he thinking! The second picture looks fine to me. He sort of is posing though. Maybe it should be his member picture instead. ---
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rangutan
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Posted: 2006-03-29 00:34:00
As GLOBO grows larger, a very necessary discussion. Each and every member answering here has put in something positive.
Where there are more than three members to decide, there will be countless disagreements but we have done very well here and I think are really looking forward to a great future for GLOBO.
I keep with my comments above but must add to #3 that this is a community and not solo homepages. Should slide-show pictures eventually be directly uploaded? Also, commenting on a picture can anyway done via the guestbook, forum or contact too, no need to lock anything there, unless it is one of those members that do not have those activate, who are NOT valuable community members anyway!
I think we have a great thing going at GLOBO and must improve it regularly but like Christian says, we do not want too many rules and definitely not want a "big brother" situation, neither "witch-hunts". Like a lot have suggested we need some moderation but should be a bit more flexible and tolerant if we want to expand membership, which is what we need FIRST, diskspace is not a problem at all. A good QUALITY standard has already been set and can always be referred to for new members. We must simply make THEM aware of it. There is a lot of OTHER time still for slowly cleaning up and optimising!
Thanks VERY much Marianne, Martin and all those that contributed.
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mortimer
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Posted: 2006-03-31 17:11:00
Hi There
Even though we already had quite a lot of statements there are still many of you left who haven't offered your views.
Is really all said or do some other members have more ideas and views?
I would really like to hear more!
Martin ---
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mistybleu
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Posted: 2006-03-31 23:11:00
I’ve returned from my vacation earlier on this week and found this weighty discussion going on:
1. Moderators to the photo galleries: - I think moderators will be of benefit to all, some pictures are of substandard quality (I’m guilty of a few) and some way too personal.
2. Pop ups, with rating guidelines: - I hate pop ups and rarely pay them any mind so another method can be used, but the guidelines would be nice as this discussion has been raised previously,
3. Tag box whether the photographer wants a comment to his/her picture: - I’m not sure what this means, but I like what we have at present, however it would be nice if there was some way that indicated which pictures have comments attached.
4. what kind of photos to upload: - this is such a subjective request, as nearly any picture can be travel related, my dislike is for personal pictures. Those are better suited for personal collections.
5. Uploading guidelines: guidelines are good, but the should be too intrusive, as one member indicated, this site if fun, if we have too many rules disguised at guidelines, it takes the fun out of sharinGH.
Anyway, it's better late than never.
Amanda
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whereisliz
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Posted: 2006-04-01 01:25:00
Hello All!
What an interesting discussion! Thank you to Marianne, who alerted me to this thread. I feel most strongly compelled to weigh in on the idea of "What is a travel photo?"
I think it would be a big mistake to the spirit of this site to rigidly define in any way what a travel photo is. In fact, I think most people don't think broadly enough. Travel photos can illustrate culture, climate, mood, politics, attitude... a whole range of topics rarely considered and even more rarely caputured on film (or memory card). Even abstract photos (where it is not always possible to even define the subject) can reveal in their lines, colors and textures a true sense of place.
In my opinion, anything, repeat, anything, can be a travel photo, if its INTENT is to express something about a place. I believe we should be encouraging people to think more creatively, not reigning them in and making them anxious about whether their photo will be embraced or banished.
I think it's great to offer advice about what makes a travel photo interesting to others, but in the end what really matters is offering a space where we can freely share our unique and personal vision of our world. If not, then we ALL may as well just scan and post the best-composed pictures from travel books and brochures.
Thanks for listening,
Liz ---
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joe_schmidt
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Posted: 2006-04-01 11:53:00
Moin!
Thank you for the invitation to take part in this survey.
Regarding the five points:
1) Hm, what would be their task? To have members to ask in general regarding upload of pictures would be OK.
2) No Pop-Ups, please. The rating guidelines currently given are OK. There will ever be room for interpretation of what is good or not. And if there is a rating you can't prevent mis use.
3) Yes. Some pictures are travel related but not intended to get a "whoaa" from the community. To exclude pictures from ratingmania would be a good idea.
4) Would be OK if intended as a coarse prevention of mis use of this site. If pictures are named as off-topic to a moderator by many users, it might be deleted. But this should be done only for offending or unethical ones. The frontier to censorship is floating.
5) Uploading guidelines in the upload window would be OK.
Question 2:
This is a very difficult point. You could upload pictures for many different reasons: travel pictures for friends (sending them electronic post cards), places which are not available by now, special impressions you feel you must share.
What picture do we want to see? Travel in general? Trecking or Backpacking only? Common beach holiday (just for completion :-) ) or extraordinary travel?
Some pictures are obviously not suited regarding the intention of this site: Me and friends sitting on an sofa and nothing more. There are other communities invented especially for social things. As long as such pictures are rare, it's not worth the effort to do something against them. But if the number increases, the moderator version is a valid option.
ciao, Joe ---
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jwmarkham
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Posted: 2006-04-04 23:24:00
Hi Everyone,
Thanks to Marianne for inviting me to join this conversation.
I must begin by saying that I am not in favor of applying too many restrictions to the content of member's postings. My definition of Facisim is, an elite group who feels that their values should be applied and accepted by everyone else.
I think that a definition of the Globosapiens site should be considered. I have always appreciated that I can come to this site, find a location that I am interested in, either for travel or just information, and I can get a good idea of what it is like to be there, from the photos and reports that have been posted.
I have always considered Globosapiens to be exactly what it says..."a travel community". Not a "Photo site" at all. The ability to post photos, as well as reports and guides, provides the information that is the foundation of this community of travellers. I can find beautiful photos of the "attractions" in various countries by going to National Geographic. I am not looking for that. I want to know what "your" experience was in that location.
I love the interaction between members. I am excited when someone bothers to add a comment about a particular photo I have posted..whatever the comment might be. Of course I like praise for my composition or "photographic eye", but I welcome all comments, or questions.
When I go to a memeber's site, I have the option of just clicking on a photo, just to look at the photo, or clicking on the name of the photo, which shows me what the poster said about the photo. I have also used the "comments" option to reply to other members comments or questions.
As regards standards, or definitions regarding posted photos, those are arbitrary. I have posted photos that I thought were beautiful, but have a low rating from the 1 or 2 people that bothered to rate them. I have posted photos that were getting high ratings, and great comments, only to find that someone came along and gave a 2 or 3 star rating, to something that had been getting 5 star ratings, dropping the overall rating. I have given up on the overall rating system, because some members seem to have their own agenda regarding the purpose of ratings.
When I look at someone's photos, I consider things like composition and lighting, as well as how "unusual" the photo might be. I look for photos that show the culture, which includes the people, and often the travellers themselves. You will notice that in my Valley of Fire album, I have included a photo of myself and my nephew, on a ledge that we climbed up to. I included it, to show the true color of the rocks, as well as that climbing around on the rocks is easy enough that a child can do it. Should I be forbidden to include that kind of shot in my photos? Often times, I want to include myself or a friend in a photo, to show the relative size of something, like the vastness of the surrounding desert, when I am standing next to the sign at the entrance to Chaco Canyon, in New Mexico.
There are things that I wish were different about the site, but not much related to constraints on what members post. I wish that the slide shows didn't have advertising next to every photo. (At least the Google ads are not the bright white that they used to be!) I don't know how many people look at my albums. I have received comments about my albums, but I don't know how to go back to find those comments later. And I don't know how the albums are rated. Sometimes it seems like the only members to see the slide shows, are the few that immediately respond in my guestbook, as soon as the album is posted.
This does not directly address the various questions in this particular Forum conversation, but I hope it gives some useful information to help make decisions about the site.
Jim Markham
I just want to add this point. Out of curiosity, I went to look at those photos of mine with 1 or 2 star ratings. Nearly all of them had one vote, so one person decided. Also, I know that some photos had been rated higher, but a vote of one star lowered the overall rating to two stars, so that's only two people voting. Many of the photos had been viewed by many more people. If 14 members took a look at my photo, and only 1 decided to vote, then I am more interested in the 14 people that saw the photo. Unfortunately, the default for the site, is to show the highest rated photos first, so I'm sure many people don't get to the end of a list of over 300 photos. When I visit another member's site, I'm glad to see the highest rated photos, but I usually click on a particular location, so I can see all the photos of that place. Just a thought... [ This Message was edited by: jwmarkham on 2006-04-05 00:31 ] ---
Certainly, travel is more than the seeing of sights; it is a change that goes on, deep and permanent, in the ideas of living. - Miriam Beard
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morc66
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Posted: 2006-04-24 11:58:00
ok... nice to be thinking about how and what to rate.
BUT: is there going to be any development effort for our suggested changes?
As far as I know our developers are quite busy...
Anyway; we should split the discussion. I found some issues related to classification and some related to rating. These are different subjects.
I started a discussion on taxonomy and classification a few weeks ago. (here: http://www.globosapiens.net/topic-taxonomy-and-classification-...-the-serious-business_29_2248_0000.html )
Cheers,
Maurice
(have not checked the entire thread... Would like to suggest a thread view option too ;-] )
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st.vincent
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Posted: 2006-04-24 14:42:00
I've recently met the one month/500 points criteria so can now see and participate in this forum, and I see that the travel photo debate is as active here as it is in the public forums. I thought I would add my views.
It seems to me that most members do not want a moderated photo gallery and I agree. To have a travel site encouraging members to upload photos, then to have two or three of those members judging whether they are good enough or travel related enough to appear on the site will only drive people away.
But clearly, as the number of photos uploaded grows, there is a need for some sort of categorisation or order to the photo gallery. Sorting photos into categories was the subject of the other thread that Maurice posted on today and the two subjects are linked.
Reading both threads it seems there are two issues,
a) most members do not want a moderated photo gallery
b) the categorisation of the gallery into themes may not be feasible from a development perspective.
If we accept that both of these statements are true then what do we do now. Let us return to the two basic "problems" that members are concerned about. Firstly the quality/appropriateness of photos in the gallery and secondly the large number of photos that will have been uploaded if we continue at the same rate for the next few years.
I have a suggestion, and it is one that Rudi (and maybe others) mentioned in a previous post. Why not make it possible to upload photos directly into a slide show without having to post them in the main gallery first. This would allow members to upload multiple photos of their trip for everyone to see whilst choosing only the best ones for the main gallery, where they can be rated and commented on.
Members with a large number of photos already in the gallery could be encouraged to build them into slide shows and delete some of them from the main gallery (without loss of points I suppose).
Once everyone gets used to this it should cut down the number of photos in the main gallery to a manageable level, perhaps allowing categorisation, and improve the quality/appropriateness of those photos.
It is a medium-term rather than a short-term solution but it might help to retain the integrity, stability and popularity of the site as it grows over the coming years.
Best wishes to all
Clive
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rangutan
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Posted: 2006-04-25 00:33:00
Clive has a very good point never reported before. Why cann't the pictures to slide shows be uploaded seperately to the main gallery?
a) For slide shows one often needs multiple shots of a subject but for the gallery only the best.
b) For slide shows one needs intro shots of signs or logos not wished in the main gallery.
c) Personal shots are effective at the start or end of a slide show but not wished in the main gallery!
d) Some pictures often look strange on there own yet brilliant when together in a slide-show eg. bus/city tour or hike/adventure!
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